Theyre either ignorant of the law or lying to you and blowing you off. Ill never make that mistake again. This year Ive been watching 5 churches that broadcast their worship live on Sundays. They say they study and write sermons for 20-25 hours a week. Blogs. David Platt has openly talked about the need to recruit and go after 18 to 25 year old students for their ultimate goals and purposes. I am sure expenses will be reimbursed. I can see how this could be the cast for new converts, in the same way that newborns depend on the pre-digested proteins of milk. Where is most of ones time spent? Yeah, I have had to have church at home on three different occasions in life. olks, find a church in which you have a real pastor, not a talking head who offers nothing different than a podcast Find a pastor who knows your names and will come and sit with you when you are in the hospital. Celebrity pastors who are in it for the fame, money, or to deceptively change a church polity. These pastors faithfully execute the responsibilities of their jobs, but those who so desire can carve out a fairly cushy lifestyle as a pastor. The Church is there to train us, teach us. Sadly yes the FIEC has become the beachhead for T4G/TGC and the 9Marxist groups. This enhances the body that we are serving and being served no one is exempt from either one. And I do not want that. You could pull a gateway and just pipe them in. I very much agree that many Christians do this quite well without drawing attention to themselves do you mean positional recognition? So far they havent bothered us too much about the whole covenant signing thing, but Im concerned Whats going to happen when the new church covenant to replace the old (two churches are merging) comes in, and the push comes to get everyone to sign the new one? Every inch of my kitchen counter is covered with stuff. Once the bible (or more specifically what some people try to do with the bible} is treated as simply a different version of the old Jewish idea of law and thus turned into a burden too heavy to bear-then we can quote Jesus himself about the fact that creating burdens like that is a big time no-no. @ Gram3: The wonder of it all is that God still honors His Bread. 40:8. Now we have Didasko. Isa. I am certainly not saying that my job is equivalent to giving a sermon at church. Yes, but Platt played the deep sense of calling (from God) card. We believers are all priests, Jesus is our high priest, and we were not supposed to embrace this pagan shamanism nonsense to begin with. I was thrilled to learn when he left Brook Hills and I personally dont think he should be pastoring anywhere, frankly. (And to be accurate, he preached only 20 of 25 weeks in his first 6 months on the job, so he has effectively had 3 months off in his first 8 months of his job.). And I think a pastor saying they will NOT do these things says something negative about their attitude. I expect your educated guess is as good as mine, but ISTM you spend 20-25 hours preparing a sermon if youve not much else to do. Im not saying this is a blanket template to cover wrong doing, but it is there in the text to be considered along with all the other scripture, as well. Where is my intentionality in all that? The best theologians can go off track if left to themselves and their own view of scripture. In other words, I am thinking that different people have different needs, and some folks cannot deal with chaos and want rules and procedures and organization and having somebody in charge. I was listening to Platts final sermon at The Church at Brook Hills today and he stated he still has the dream of going on mission to Nepal. What does this mean? I literally LOLed.. Those who know Christ (theo) best are better suited to ministry, not those who know sinners (socio) best. I did a little research of John Folmar, my ex-pastor in Dubai, in 2013, the year I quit. As all were replaced their titles changed with the word pastor not minister. David Platts mission, whether he realizes it or not, is to make MBC a social justice church. 14, that will be my last Sunday at Brook Hills, and then well begin to shift totally after that.. How long will it take the 13-25 thousand people who attend services at the McLean Bible multi-plex Church in Northern Virginia on a regular basis to realize they are being had by preachers who are now pushing stealth Calvinism, and hanging out with and supporting 501(c)3 organizations that do? He is doing exactly this! I mean its not that big of a deal until you look at a pattern in the entire movement. I find it curious that those that are not Roman Catholic expect the preacher to function as the parish priest. Perhaps it could be in a negative senseIOW, everything this man said to do, do the opposite. Maybe the problem is not David Platt but the mega church experience. Unfortunately, churches have become so institutionalized it is almost impossible for that person to do what God meant for them to do. But I know I cant do that forever. Well just have to agree to disagree. Is he doing word studies on every single Greek word? I think there is more going on. What a relief. God will make you into His image in the tent of meeting. At that time, there did not seem to be any attempt to become a mega-church. In fact, upon being appointed, Platt actually said, I now see the beauty of the CP. It is also a biological code. God designed us for community. Im the face of my department to other groups within the enterprise and I walk a fine line between encouraging people to put all their cards on the table but then subsequently recommending steps these groups should take to keep their particular issue from occurring again. Its reductionistic, but I like the Church gathered to worship (edify, exhort, encourage) and be fed; then the Church scattered (respective families, jobs, neighborhoods) to do missions/evangelism. Actually, liberal lefty functions only as temporary place holder for me. Podcast in Person reminds me of the scary movie. I understand what youre saying, but there are few legal resources for church conflict. Were connected. But we have some in depth sunday school classes. I usually dread listening to missionaries speak, anticipating the guilt trip that they sometime put on other people for not being as extreme and missional and sacrificial as them. (2) The born-again experience: i.e. Seminary professor. There were more interesting and relevant things that I cant remember from that story. I would like to say to all of you. He will receive no salary. Day-to-day leaders of the church living and working shoulder-to-shoulder with all the one anothers? We both know the answer, yet dont follow this when we have someone adding their own agenda. Both monologue (preaching) and dialogue (teaching w/discussion) are valuable in the Church. @ Hope: So why do we continue supporting this made up role? Birds of a feather. I remember reading a novel years ago in which one character was into transcendental meditation; and another character (probably speaking for the author) described him thus: You get the comforts of religion without the responsibility. Well, I think its clear what the problem is. To follow my last commentthey have also hosted Mark Dever for a conference titled Growing Healthy Churches most ironic! Mohler and Company: The tweets from these guys add an extra dimension to the posts at TWW. Still, imperfect as it is, it is the dearest place on earth to us.. These pastors (without quotation marks) dont double-dip or moonlight as motivational speakers and writers, or publicise themselves, or invest their time in furthering their careers by making their (quotes) churches (more quotes) into conference centres at which they can speak. Count it all joy to pay the cost and reveal His worth! I find it interesting that Paul never did this, at least in his letters. @ AnonInNC: If you continue to use this site we will assume that you are happy with it. Sadly, nothing. This week we will focus on Rashis explanation. But seeing it in the best light, the person to whom you spoke was just ignorant and ill-informed, not malicious. We have a property tax exemption for people over a certain age for that reason, and it isnt allowed to be increased more than 5% a year. 4:10). Well, at least they will try and find you now or at least know your name. Maybe he is off balance. And why do they clap after singing hymns are they glorifying God or patting themselves on the back? Yes, my experience and sentiments exactly. I explain I cant do funerals, visits, phone calls, or meetings. It has been nothing but crickets since this major event happened. He speaks very quietly and sometimes it is hard to make out what he is saying. Im not gonna convince you, and you aint gonna persuade me. How many weekly training hours do you suppose it takes to actually be able to win one of those? If we show the world what a high cost we are willing to pay for Gods love, the world might be able to look outside the order of created things and see a Hope that they would be willing to pay the cost for. Madness. It seems perfectly obvious to me that He wants more when it comes to eternity than just hanging around and thinking pleasant thoughts, so to speak. Pastoral care fits, here. This leaves the door wide open for our congregation to see areas of leadership where they are needed, and to respond accordingly.". And the buzz word missional has taken over their thought process. First, a general reason: God has always existed in relationshipthe loving relationship of Father, Son, and Spirit. I dont understand the appeal in attending something like that. Is this the same Augustine who is considered one of the fathers of the faith? ___ The trustee statement is rather curious, too. Imagine how differently the church would impact the world if the money spent on buildings and salaries went to meeting needs? To slightly turn the phrase, may your non-tribe increase. That is a huge plus for the elders there, I imagine. Its a long and somewhat boring story. Yes, there is a great distinction here. You are the church. Im sick of that garbage, especially as used by people like Platt, because that great calling they love to reference is code for My calling is bigger than yours, and if you plebes dont submit, youre against the Lord. Yours is a valuable reminder, too, of how many clergy embody anything BUT the gospel. It is a very odd collection of characters. I know he did this purposely since they had all sorts of huge speakers in his church. Not to mention the let-us-introduce-you-to-some-seminary-students during nursing school. Sometimes, the flock is so tired and exhausted that it goes for a happy meal or a snippet. If God is truly visible in our midst, we will not have to build bridges to the community; they will build them to us to get to God. The bread is indicative of the Bread of Life, and the lighted candlestick indicates someones home the presence of the Holy Spirit. But making the pulpit and the weekly sermon the center of our spiritual lives seems odd to me. Mr Platt aint got nuttin on Mr Crazy Buzy DeYoung. We are blessed in this country and some others, where we can have buildings and assemble publicly. No disrespect to the multitude of honest, hard working real pastors who labor faithfully, week in and week out in normal churches with an average of 100-200 in attendance each week. He knew when He inspired the authors of the Bible just exactly what would be going on now. They must have gone in in laparoscopically. We do need bread from heaven we live by the Word of God; it should come from the pulpit, but God can use anyone to bring forth a word, anywhere. My own mother has preached in the pulpit a time or two, or three. Thanks! Apparently this post is getting a lot of play out there. Local believers who had plenty sharing personally with other local believers who had need? I like the idea that, should I actually need real pastoral care at some point, it will be an option. 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